Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
there an object such as a sound independent of its being heard?
But how do we know that there is an object if it’s not being seen?
Has anybody or is there any evidence anywhere that there is a
world outside awareness?
TRIP: No.
WIZARD: Right on.
RUPERT: Could there be? Would it be possible for there to be
such evidence?
TRIP: Well, what the mind says is that while my personal
perceiving may cease, I’m quite sure that there are others out there
perceiving while I’m in dreamless sleep.
WIZARD: And holding it together.
RUPERT: Yes. Yes.
TRIP: That’s what everybody says.
RUPERT: So, there may be, at that moment, there may be
perceptions but whether or not the perceptions are our own. But,
the question is not whether it is just our own perception that is
real but let’s say perception in general. But outside any
perception, how do we know that there is a world?
TRIP: We cannot.
RUPERT: We don’t. Exactly. Not. We do not and we cannot.
Now, that is not a proof that there is no such world. That’s
important to say that. But, the presumption we make that there is
something called an object or a world independent of awareness is
a fundamental presumption. In fact, it is the main building block
of our culture. It is the main idea upon which all other ideas are
based. This idea that things, objects, the world has a reality
independent of awareness. And that that reality is therefore made
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