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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
foot against the floor now, a new sensation would appear. And
that sensation, which we call the body, is known or experienced in
exactly the same way that the sky and the thought is experienced.
In other words, this seeming I, whatever exactly I is, is aware of
not just the world but is aware of the body, mind and world.
We move from a position of thinking I, the body mind, am aware
of the world to realizing, no, I, whatever I is, is aware of the body,
mind and world or is the witness of the body, mind and the world.
So, here we move from the position of considering ourselves to be
an entity, a body mind that is aware of the world to considering
ourselves to be this aware presence that is aware of the body mind
and world. And as such, this aware presence has no perceivable or
objective qualities. It can’t be seen
If we were Now, right Now as we speak, if we were to turn our
attention towards or try to turn our attention towards this aware
presence that is for instance hearing these words or that is seeing
whatever it is that is being seen at the moment. We wouldn’t even
know in which direction to look. But because this aware presence,
that we intimately know ourselves to be, is not in any direction, it’s
not located in a place or at a time. So here we’ve moved from
thinking, “I am something,” that is I am a body and a mind aware
of the world, to what is sometimes said to be “I am nothing”
nothing in the sense that it is not a thing, not an object that can be
perceived. So we’ve moved from a position, what could be called a
position of ignorance. In which we think I am something, I am an
object, and I am a person. To a position that could be called a
position of wisdom. Which is “I am nothing; I am not a thing,
empty, void.” Void of objective, perceivable content. And yet, I am
present and aware. So this is the position which is traditionally
known as the witness position. And it is a half-way stage of
understanding in which we have, as it were, separated ourselves
from the body-mind-world in order to establish in our actual
experience that what we are is just witnessing-aware-presence,
that we are not a body mind or a world. But now that there is a
problem or perhaps not a problem but a question – what is the
relationship between this witnessing aware presence that I am and
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