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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
of my teacher. My teacher began to permeate everything and
everyone. I just thought that I was always in the presence of my
teacher which means in the presence of the Self, in the presence of
awareness and I was that. So, although Francis, to begin with, was
like a emblem of this presence for me and I always related to him
as that. Nevertheless, in time the specific characteristics of the
teacher, the physical teacher began to dissolve until I really felt
that I was with my teacher all the time, in other words, with the
presence, with the Divine all the time. It never came and went. I
never travelled towards it or further away from it. In fact, that
ceased in time to be a sense of a me travelling towards or moving
away from--so there was this--it was a process in time that took
place over a number of years.
WIZARD: This has been Ram Dass’s most recent confession. We
are here all along with Neem Karoli Baba. That physical presence
has dissolved away into the presence and that otherness has
dissipated and though I’ve never read it in his new book, Be Love
Now, and I look forward to reading it.
RUPERT: It’s just a unique and just to carry on just a bit from
that. The unique thing that I felt when I first met Francis was that
right off the bat he treated me as impersonal awareness. That that
was where we started and we started there and we never really left
there. So, it’s a very subtle thing. It took so many years. We have
been accustomed to being treated as a person that means as a
limited physical entity. As a body man, so when somebody doesn’t
relate to us in that way, when they don’t think of us in that way,
when they don’t speak to us in that way, when they don’t relate
with us in that way something very deep in us responds. It
recognizes our true Self as it were, wakes up, it responds to being
treated as it truly is, rather than being treated as a limited separate
entity. Now, how that works I couldn’t tell you. But this was the
condition of our friendship right from the very first moment and it
remains the condition of our friendship to this day.
TRIP: Wonderful.
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