Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
TRIP: Well, thank you. You are a realized sage as far as I'm
concerned, and I think that we've had a number on this show, and
then I read sometimes… we recently had a request for us to
interview somebody on the show, and there were students of this
person that wrote testimonials, and in the testimonials they said
things like, "It was a transmission thing". And we had a guest on
our show earlier, Saniel Bonder, out in California, he's a devotee of
Da's, and he talks about transmission. Okay, and I think, I don't
know, I think because people have an idea of certain realized
individuals' capacity to transmit unconditioned awareness just by
their presence, I think it has lead a lot of people to put sages or
realized human beings up on some platform. And unless you have
this transmission thing going on or something like that, you really
can't or shouldn't be recognized. But I recognize you, and the
Wizard, and Paul, here, and myself, as realized human beings.
So could you speak to that gradation if you will of realization that
seems to be playing out there where some people can transmit it
and other people just walk along like you do, an ordinary man,
you've got your website, I love your free MO, as far as I'm
concerned, you're rocking my world. I don't need to go sit down
with a woman who gazes on me, and I get something.
ROBERT WOLFE: Well there's a lot of mythology in the area of
the enlightenment matter. As a consequence it seems to me that
people come to it with some exaggerated ideas as to what it
amounts to, and basically you might say how it's arrived at. It's
not rocket science; it's basically a simple proposition. In fact, so
God damn simple that we're confused by it. [Laughing]
So if we begin to remove some of the mythology that's been
constructed around this matter, I think we'll find that people will
come to this recognition much more simply and clearly without
some exaggerated ideas about what's involved in it. And I have
actually had discussions with people in which within 30 minutes
of our sitting down and talking, they have come to see the
substance of what we're talking about. And I know that's so in
some of these cases because I have observed what's taken place in
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