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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

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WIZARD: Yes.<br />

<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

TRIP: Yes. And in this time of chaos in the world, and there's all<br />

kinds of crazy stuff going on, you talk about how when you were<br />

sitting in that redwood forest back there, when you were getting<br />

clear, there was world peace in that chair that you were sitting in,<br />

that redwood forest, because there was no one there to change,<br />

influence, or control anything, you were simply part of the<br />

landscape. So what does that say about so many people out there<br />

agitating for world peace, then they're out there and they're<br />

rattling the bars and all that. I think you might suggest there's<br />

another way to get to world peace, right?<br />

ROBERT WOLFE: Well it's a very difficult thing for people to deal<br />

<strong>with</strong>, but basically what these teachings are telling us is that there<br />

is at this present moment a particular reality, we may not like what<br />

that reality is, but it's present, it's a present reality. We can hope<br />

that it was otherwise, or wish that it was otherwise, but that<br />

doesn't change the fact it's still the present reality, regardless of<br />

what we feel about it, or think about it, or wish about it, or hope<br />

about it.<br />

So these teachings are telling us to come to terms <strong>with</strong> what's<br />

present, be present <strong>with</strong> what is. And it doesn't say that we have<br />

to like what is, but we're talking about being present <strong>with</strong> what is,<br />

as opposed to continually seeking things to be other than they are,<br />

wishing, hoping, things would be other than they are. And it's this<br />

sense of hoping and wishing that things were other than they are<br />

which causes what is called idealism, we have an idea that<br />

something should be this way, or should be that way, when it isn't<br />

that way. And these ideas translate into idealism, the world<br />

should be this way, people should be that way. And so our effort is<br />

to control and manipulate and so on to try to make our ideals<br />

reality. <strong>The</strong> point of these teachings is to be present <strong>with</strong> what's<br />

present, rather than seeking to have the world be the way you<br />

think it ought to be.<br />

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