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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

ocean is still the ocean, but it has different levels, two different<br />

things.<br />

WIZARD: Muktananda called it the Play of Consciousness, which<br />

was the play of all the forms and visions, all of it together was a<br />

unified display but fundamentally it is insentient. <strong>The</strong> sentience is<br />

in the stillness.<br />

PAUL NAGY: Now we ask our guest.<br />

TRIP: Well I want to ask, Robert. You had an example that<br />

illustrated this point I feel in your book, you talk about stardust,<br />

and you talk about how everything's made of stardust. And then<br />

you use that analogy when you talked about how a person is…most<br />

people are unable to grock the idea where they'll say, if I am the<br />

observer of that tree over there, clearly I am not the tree, okay. If<br />

you go out and talk to 99 people on the street, they're going to say,<br />

sorry, I'm not the tree; I'm me.<br />

ROBERT WOLFE: That's right.<br />

TRIP: You use this example of stardust to unravel that strong<br />

distinction that people make, and could you share that? I thought<br />

that was good.<br />

ROBERT WOLFE: Well I think the point that I was making there<br />

was that all that we see comes from the same source, and from a<br />

limited physical standpoint that source would be stellar. In other<br />

words that all these elements that make up the earth are basically<br />

debris from stars, from suns. So there's a commonality to all that<br />

exists in this world, in our bodies, in the plants, the minerals, and<br />

all, it's all essentially from that source, that stardust.<br />

So I was just making the point that there's a commonality in all<br />

this. We take these bodies and so called cells to be so special and<br />

separate, and yet dust-to-dust is what it amounts to.<br />

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