Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
BENJAMIN SMYTHE: Do you have that experience? Has that
happened to you? Or whatever that is, obviously we can't tell
what…
ROBERT SALTZMAN: Constantly. I don't want it to stop.
BENJAMIN SMYTHE: Oh, really. That must hurt. [Laughs]
ROBERT SALTZMAN: It hurts at first.
BENJAMIN SMYTHE: To not want it to stop. [Laughs]
Awesome. And if it stops, what happens?
ROBERT SALTZMAN: It hasn't stopped; I don't know what to
say.
BENJAMIN SMYTHE: Great, yes, yes.
ROBERT SALTZMAN: I love your YouTube presentations, they're
great, and they really are. I like the one with the fun house
mirrors; you want to talk about that?
BENJAMIN SMYTHE: Will you remind me? I don't really watch
my own videos.
ROBERT SALTZMAN: Oh, this was one about how whatever
model you choose, it defines your reality, and it's like being in a
fun house. And you stand in front of one of the distorting mirrors,
and you say, that's reality. And then someone turns you around
and you see another mirror, and you say, oh, no, that's reality, I
had it wrong a moment ago.
BENJAMIN SMYTHE: Well it's so easy to have a position, there's
a narrative position, let's say if I'm nonduality, and if I really hold
a nonduality position, then I actually think something's wrong
with duality, which is its own form of madness. And so if I hold
duality and I think, well someday I've got to get the oneness, and
then if I'm a Christian I think well the Muslims are wrong, and
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