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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages letting go even of watching oneself and simply being present, can you talk about that? RICHARD YOUNG: Yes. That comes from my own practice of mindfulness over the years, and also of knowing people who are practicing it. And it's an artificiality to be blunt, it's an artificial way to live, but I think there's so much to gain from it, so much to learn from it, that it's an important practice. But I think there needs to be this rhythm, this breathing in, and this breathing out where I am aware of my experience and that I am in my experience. Now it is possible to be both, to be in it and to be aware of it, but that's a pretty highly developed skill. Most of the time for most of us it's one or the other, we can either be mindful of what we're doing, or we're completely in what we are doing. And I think there are moments when that's called for, for example when I'm in therapy with somebody, I'm not sitting there mindfully watching the experience, I am in that experience, I am that experience. And I may be mindful about it later and observe in retrospect what would happen and what went on, but sometimes that mindful awareness just seems to give way to a complete engagement with the moment. TRIP: Here's another beautiful thing you wrote, you say, "As the early Chan Zen masters taught, Buddha mind does not exist, and it also does not exist [Laughter]. In other words the dualistic characteristics shared by all objects whether physical or mental do not apply to God, God is beyond all dualities which s how it can be the source of all phenomenal objects. It cannot even properly be called it, but it can be lived directly unselfconsciously and without cognitive mediation. Ironically others will know we are living it long before we do". RICHARD YOUNG: Yes, I often use the illustration of a white board to try and get at what I'm saying there. With a white board it can manifest all colors of the spectrum, you can have every color of dry marker you want, but there's one dry marker that you can't use, and that would be a white one. So a white board which has only one characteristic, it's whiteness, cannot manifest white. So 616
Conversations with Avant-garde Sages therefore God or what we call God, or higher Self, or whatever Buddha mind, or whatever word you're comfortable with, must be completely bereft of characteristics, and qualities, in order to be able to manifest all experience, and all qualities. TRIP: Right on. WIZARD: Ramana Maharshi would agree with you on that one big time. TRIP: So, Richard, you've got a rocking Facebook page, there were something like 512 likes to the fact that we were having you on this program, which means that at least 512 people are actually going to your page and seeing that there's something there and liking it, that's pretty phenomenal. WIZARD: That's quite good. WIZARD: Did that we share over 300 friends with Richard? RICHARD YOUNG: Oh, wow [Laughs] There's at least 300 demented people in the world [Laughs]. TRIP: I was going to call you, I'm not going to do that, I had a little petty… I mean it is really hard to find, you're clean [Laughs]. I am a garbage man, I'm looking around for garbage, and you are clean, dude. RICHARD YOUNG: I'm sorry, I can't accommodate you, Trip. TRIP: I'm like Kali with the heads around the waist looking to harvest BS man, wherever I can find it, you're clean, dude. You're very, very clean. RICHARD YOUNG: Oh, gosh. TRIP: I've almost run out of challenging questions and things, but I'll go for one more and I already know the answer to it, but what the heck. You say the only divinity that exists in the universe 617
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WIZARD: Be still. Conversations wit
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TRIP: Thank you. Conversations with
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WIZARD: Amen. Conversations with Av
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