Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
TRIP: That's right. [Laughter] Exactly. So you're just talking to
the students there, right, motivating them?
RICHARD YOUNG: That's what I hope I'm doing, yeah. Again,
I'm using language that they understand and identify with, but
ultimately the nondual Truth is there is no journey, there are no
stages, there is no such thing as enlightenment, transformation.
There is only this Now, and that understanding is beyond even the
ability of mind to contemplate, or to understand. So, it's acquired,
or it's not acquired it's realized through direct experience, but an
experience that's not just of mind or can't come from mind. The
reason for that is simple, mind arises within that, so mind is
derivative of that, or ego as most people call it. So that which is
derivative can't possibly describe that from which it derives, or
that from which it arises. So we are programmed in our society at
least to approach everything with mind to try and understand it
through mind, this is one thing that can't be approached that way,
the only thing perhaps that can't be approached that way, because
mind arises within it. So for the mind, for ego, for individuality as
it's understood, there is as journey, there are stages, there is
transformation and an enlightenment. But in the true sense, in
the absolute sense, all of those things are an illusion.
WIZARD: It's burnt in the funeral fire; it's the stick that's burned.
RICHARD YOUNG: Yes, exactly.
TRIP: Speaking of students, we've got one listening to our show
right now, is it a Lyonas, Lamos, do you think, Lyonas, Lymos?
RICHARD YOUNG: Yes, yes.
TRIP: He's at the New University of Lisbon, in class of 2007.
WIZARD: He said something about the nail in the coffin.
TRIP: Thanks for joining us, he or she, I can't tell by Lyonas, is
that a male or female name, I'm not sure. In any event, you've
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