Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
REGINA AKERS: What was interesting was my experience of this
seeming presence was exactly the way you're describing it, John,
in that when I felt this presence of Ramana teaching me, I felt like
I knew my Self so clearly and so much better than I ever had
before. And it's kind of funny because this personality again never
would have asked for an Indian guru. I would have thought of
maybe Jesus as my spiritual teacher. But when I asked for
something to take me to the next step, what was provided was this
presence instead. And I was told in the message The Grace of the
Guru is because this presence was a match for my heart, and
there's just no way I can argue that, because the Self that I saw was
clearly my Self.
WIZARD: Yes. I concur.
TRIP: Yes, we both do. So you spoke a moment ago about the
resister phase, and it's the attachment to knowing that you think
that you know, and then you shared The Seven Steps to
Awakening in one of your lectures. And the first step to
awakening is letting go of all attachment to “I know anything”;
that's the false self that thinks it knows anything.
But I wanted to ask you guys, both of you, a question here, because
there are two things that I think I know, and I think that they fit
within this framework of not knowing, but I feel absolutely certain
about these two things. And actually having a kind of proactive
certainty about something seems to serve my passion about this,
or my conviction. So the two things that I do know are that I do
know that I don't know [Laughs].
WIZARD: That's wisdom.
TRIP: All right, and I do know that this is a Mystery, okay.
WIZARD: That's correct.
TRIP: And so I do know two things.
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