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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages help so many others. But I'm just curious. Before you became the celibate monk, was there a time in your life where you were a numb skull like me, where you were a little chippy, or you didn't really, get it, or you're confused, or whatever, and then, I don't know, can you reflect on that life journey, was there a time when things weren't so sublime? PETER FENNER: Yes, I could but I just notice how like when you describe yourself like that, like you just did, that maybe that's not necessary, because that's so easy for us to put ourselves in a box and think, wow, I don't have what's needed, I don't have the history. So it's important to realize that no history is needed to be here in the purest and most ultimate way possible. We don't have to have traveled a path, we don't have to have suffered X amount, we don't have to have followed certain teachings, because we're just talking about being in our natural state in this moment, free of concerns about the past and the future. TRIP: Well thank you for that, but if I want to really lay myself down on the couch, this is what I'll say, and maybe you can… my own self perception is perhaps negatively conditioned by an idea that because I don't abide in unconditioned awareness with nearly the consistently that you do, that this somehow then creates a hierarchical relationship in my mind between power relative peace. PETER FENNER: Yes, but this is not like a competition or to get more out of it. Because you can't rest here, we can't be here, we're thinking in it about those terms. It's just a slow process of reconditioning our minds so that we can rest here more frequently that we can make the journey back here when we feel that we've lost it, even though that we haven't, we feel that that's happening, then we can make the journey back here more easily, less effort, more automatically. So it's just a slow process of cultivation over the years. So in five years' time, wow, I do have more access, this is really wonderful, the river of life has broadened for me. And I do spend more time in my natural state just resting as awareness, and interacting with others from this state. And then 10 years, we 544
Conversations with Avant-garde Sages say, wow, and now it's developing further. So that's the type of timeframe that I invite people to look at their lives in when they're working with this nondual material, when they're integrating this into their lives. TRIP: Peter, you're a beautiful, wonderful and gracious man [Laughs]. Thank you so much for joining us for this hour. WIZARD: And thank you for sharing. PETER FENNER: A really great pleasure. I loved being with you. WIZARD: I was curious before this show as to whether that rock of silence and stillness would be accessible on the radio… It is. 545
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WIZARD: Be still. Conversations wit
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WIZARD: Amen. Conversations with Av
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