Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
invitation is there for you and you just find yourself meditating,
and you don't know for how long that will be, it could be for five
minutes, it could be for two hours that you're sitting. But the point
here is that this is meditation when it's being defined by our body,
the placement of our body like in a particular position. What we're
really looking for here is how to support natural meditation, in
other words how to support discovering ourselves in the place
where we're meditating without doing it, where the meditation is
happening. How do we find ourselves in the place where we don't
need to meditate because like the meditation wouldn't make any
impact on the quality of the state we're presencing, because we're
in a state that can't be enhanced, can't be prolonged by an action
of meditation, can't be refined any further. That's what we're
looking for, how to discover what in the Dzogchen tradition is
called the meditation of non-meditation, when meditation is just
happening.
WIZARD: When there's no doer?
PETER FENNER: Yes, there's no doer, there's no one looking for
any outcome.
TRIP: Way more beautifully said than I could ever hope to. I
would say, just to add to that, that the Wizard and I both concur in
that accepting our true nature and in both of our cases, he's a
rascal and I'm another rascal, accepting that nature for us trumps
practice, and so we both feel that the pages of life is where our true
practice lies. You probably feel the same way, right?
PETER FENNER: Yes, for sure. Often people think about the
path for example, I've got to find my path, what is the best path for
me? And then people think, am I on the path, I got off the path, I
got lost, I got waylaid, I've got to get on the path again. If you look
at it, we're always on the path, isn't it? The path is life, the path is
exactly what is happening Now, there's no being on it, or being off
it.
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