Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
close down. Same thing happens with pleasure, possible to
enhance the possibilities, or the refinements of pleasure and bliss
that we can receive without fearing that this isn't good for us,
without listening to some historical story in our mind, or without
this feeling that it's dangerous to experience this much pleasure,
this much bliss. So that's what I mean by broadening, expanding
the river the life.
TRIP: All right, I cannot find anything in your work that I want to
pick a bone with, but I worked hard to find something and even
this I can't pick a bone with. But, okay, let's just talk about
meditation for a second. You say we practice in order to deeply
realize that we don't need to practice, but without this practice we
don't see that we don't need to practice.
PETER FENNER: Because again we're looking to arrive at the
point where the fruition of meditation is happening without
needing to meditate. If we're meditating and our meditation is a
function of a need that we have, there's a meditator looking for a
particular result. So if there's a meditator looking for a particular
result, and that's what's behind the meditation, then it's not
producing the intended result, right, which is to let us be where we
are totally fulfilled with nothing missing.
WIZARD: Meditation without doership.
PETER FENNER: No one needing anything.
TRIP: So here's my little tiny bone, and just for the fun of it, but
now Urja Shanti says and I think the Wizard feels this way, and I
do too, that he says that he sits but he never sits because he tells
himself to sit, he only sits when it seems to want to happen, where
it's just comfortably happening. But I see that in your work you do
recommend that people actively create the space to sit, that's a
little bit oppositional to just letting it happen of its own volition.
PETER FENNER: Yes, well I think that the way that you're doing
it when you're used to doing it, it's great, because then the
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