Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
And the other aspect is how to talk from awareness itself, how can
our speaking act like a form of an induction, how can we use what
we're saying to lead people into this state of complete perfection
where nothing is missing?
TRIP: You have quite an amazing background, various traditions.
You've researched, I'm sure, many others, and you talk about the
special conversation that is talking about nothing. You see this
nondual conversation as a penultimate conversation. I think that's
a beautiful thing, and I think that we in the nondual area feel that
way strongly, it is a special conversation. Could you talk about
that?
PETER FENNER: It is, it's a different conversation because in
every other conversation we're talking about something, we're
talking about what's happening in the world so we're talking about
sensory phenomena, or we're sharing the content of our feelings,
our emotions, and our moods, energies in our body and so on, or
we're talking about our thinking, how we're seeing things, our
interpretations, so we're sharing through our concepts.
So in the case of talking about nothing it's quite different, because
there's nothing, nothing, that we are sharing, there's no object of
awareness, it's what I call a content-less transmission, the nondual
transmission, it is content-less. So when this is happening, like in
a group, or one-on-one, it's being together and then learning how
to point to this by saying, for example, that there's no this, or the
this that I am pointing to can't be known. Or I can even say
something like what I am talking about is unrelated to the words I
am using, that's true. What I am talking about right now, I'm
talking about something, but what I am talking about is unrelated
to the words that I'm using because there's nothing for the words
to be stuck on.
TRIP: You gently, gently gore a few sacred cows in your book, and
one of them that I really love is one, which governs my own sense
of who the biggest and best Trip could be, and it's this idea of
unconditional love. I mean, I'd always thought that one’s capacity
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