Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
when we hear, which is not a location, because we're just in
consciousness, like boundless consciousness, when we hear and
we ask a checking question like, can I do more of this, that's a
checking question, can I do more of this? No I can't, there's
nothing that is being done, I'm not doing anything, there's no I,
and there's no me doing anything, there's no agency. This is just
happening as it is, I can't do more of this because there's no this,
and I can't do less of it. So in a way that means we're here
together, just resting here, just being here, totally effortless state,
because there's nothing we need to know, nothing to be known,
and nothing to do.
WIZARD: Beautiful.
TRIP: Yes. You say, and there are all kinds of wonderful
interesting stuff in your book, I love your book, it really did a lot
for me. And one of the things you say in there is that the Western
mind is embarrassed and confused by paradox, but not the
Eastern mind. I-thought that was interested.
PETER FENNER: Yes, I think so that we want things to hang
together in a logical way. And when we move into the nondual,
when we're like at the intersection of the conceptual mind, the
dualistic mind, and connecting with awareness itself. So it's like at
that junction where the mind is still thinking, and still producing
some interpretation of that which is objectless, content-less, has
no structure, then paradoxes naturally come forth at that junction,
just as I said before, this is and it isn't. We can't say that this is
because we don't know what we're talking about, so we can't say
that it isn’t that it's not a non-thing either. So this type of talking
comes through naturally, it's like I can't say it differently when
we're here, when we're resting here, when we're resting here Truth
is often expressed paradoxically. It's how it is, and it's wonderful
because those paradoxes can then function like keys that open the
space, or in fact they don't even open it because it's already open,
there's no process of opening a space. The paradoxes can help us
rest here.
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