Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
don't want to miss anything here. But let's just start; in addition to
your Radiant Mind work, you conduct nondual training for a
variety of teachers and therapists. I have a family member in the
line of work, he's a psychotherapist, and I'm wondering what are
the outcomes for a psychotherapist, let's just say, of the nondual
training that they receive?
PETER FENNER: Psychotherapists who join the training learn
how to take people on a journey, take their clients on a journey
from wherever they are when they come in to their room, to take
them on a journey that essentially constructed in language and
sometimes with the way that silence can be blended into that. But
they take them on a journey in language by constructing a
conversation that reveals how in the moment everything is taken
care of, so people come in with some problem that they're working
with from their past or in their relationship, and it's possible to go
on a journey into this moment right Now to like make a shift in
our state of consciousness so that we embrace or open to the
unconditioned dimension of awareness. And then when we're
resting here, we no longer have that presenting problem, and in
fact it's impossible to reconstruct it. So if the therapist says to the
client, what's happening Now, and the client says, well, right Now
I feel fine. If they were to ask, I don't necessarily recommend that
they do, but if they were to ask the client, and can you reconstruct
that problem, can you bring that back? They won't be able to do it.
Like the energy, our conscious energy, can't be deployed in
creating suffering. So that's the journey that's possible for a
therapist to take their client on, and then you do it again and
again, like you start at different points, but then we become more
and more familiar with that journey, so then it starts to become
automatic, it doesn't require a lot of input for us to make that
journey back to awareness itself.
TRIP: Very nice. Your work helps people realize how they move
out of unconditioned awareness by making it into something,
anything which can be lost or gained, or even by trying to figure
out what it is. Can you elaborate on that?
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