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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
notion even that presence has existed before. This is why more
and more when talking this way I use the term present-ness to
emphasize that it's this instant and it's absolutely history-less, not
even the present itself, or presence or being can be said to have
been before.
TRIP: Yes, and yet there is this rock, there's this rock, and this is
contrary to like the popular stuff you hear in songs where the one
thing you can count on is that things will always change, that?
And so people, who have all of these concepts obliterated by the
stuff that you're staying right Now, they're a little bit lost but there
is this rock, it's the infallibility that you say, okay. The absolute
infallibility of consciousness, and its absolute certainty it is always
there, it's your friend [Laughs].
WIZARD: Led Zeppelin said in A Stairway to Heaven to be a rock
and not to roll.
PETER DZIUBAN: Yes.
TRIP: So like last night after reading your work I was lying in bed,
I was just filled with this expansive joy, it was just radiating. And
it's the joy of that always count-upon-able…
PETER DZIUBAN: Yes, that's a great way to put it. Yes. It's like,
yes, sometimes we use expressions like, yes, just let go, just fall
into your own infallibility, or un-go-away-able-ness. And that
sounds dualistic I know, like there's a me and an it, but it’s just a
total "letting go into that", all of a sudden it's clear, well, wait a
minute, nothing's going to go away, and it's not like you are
dropping into this boundless expanse, the boundless expanse is
you.
WIZARD: Is already.
PETER DZIUBAN: Yes. And there's no bottom, so you can't fall.
The notion of bottom is just a concept, so there's no possibility of
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