Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
PETER DZIUBAN: Even the universe, what is the universe on?
What would the universe be on? And those standards go out the
window.
WIZARD: Even the big bang.
PETER DZIUBAN: Even the big bang, that's just a thought, that's
right. And so the point is that what appears as this whole
experience, what we call human experience, truly if one's going to
talk about it, it's like a dream. And we will say even sometimes
when we've "had some so-called spiritual experience”, (and boy is
this going to get blown out of the water in a second), it will be clear
that okay, what appears as the world and experience, what I say
was my past, is just this thought arising Now., Even if I want to
speak of what appears as the present moment, it's just mental or
thought, like a dream arising Now. There's really no material
solidity there, no matter how much it may seem that way, there
really isn't. That's seen through. And then we'll say, Now when it
comes to this thing about history, and there's this long
background, or there was a past in which I wasn't spiritual and
Now which I have become somewhat more spiritual. And if you
look at that, it becomes clear from the standpoint of present
awareness, that all of that is just a bunch of thought arising in the
present moment. There's no history of anything whatsoever,
because whatever one would attempt to say happened back there,
is not back there, it's right here this instant in this arising thought.
And even all of the whole string of succession back there, 1,000
years ago, 100 years ago, 10 years ago, a year ago, it's like this one
mental panorama that's got all of that in it. But actually it's all in
this current arising thought, and it has no other status than that.
And so the whole of what is called history mistakenly is just a
current imaging that's being done out of ignorance. And then that
might clear, and then there will sometimes be this lingering
assumption that well, okay, but presence or Now-ness, the eternal
Now or being, or god--that has always been here outside of time,
it's like eternal, but meaning forever in time. And yet, if you look
at it, that too is just a thought arising in the current moment, the
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