Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
object right Now, it may appear that the body is in a room
experiencing different kinds of sensations, actually apart from
what seems to be this instant there isn't anything out there. We
will imagine that there's another room in another part of the house
somewhere, but as the whole of this experience is inseparable from
thought, that's just an imagining that there's another room off
there. And, thought will say, yes, but if I get the body up and walk
over into that other room, that room is going to be there. But
again, it cannot be separated from thought, from the mind. And
that shows that the body too is a part of this whole landscape, this
dreamlike landscape that's being cooked up always on the instant.
WIZARD: They arise together. They dissolve together.
TRIP: Isn't that good?
WIZARD: They arise together and dissolve together.
TRIP: Peter, another thing that you say which was really helpful
to me is the absolute equivalence of the word Now and
consciousness, those two things, those two non-things, that's
revelatory because for me I'd always walked around with this idea
that Now is Now, and then there's this thing called consciousness.
PETER DZIUBAN: Oh, yes.
TRIP: Can you talk about that? I mean the absolute equivalence
of Now and consciousness.
PETER DZIUBAN: Yes, well if one examines it for oneself, one
can see that what we call, (and again these are both words really),
but what's of value is this un-go-away-ably present stuff that
seems to be conscious, what we call conscious. Consciousness
itself, not thought about consciousness, but just this pure aware
Beingness, is always present tense only. It can neither be moved
back into a past, or ahead into a future, and that is simply another
way of saying what our word Now points to.
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