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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
he said, "Apart from thought there is no permanent entity called
world".
WIZARD: Yes.
PETER DZIUBAN: It's not there. And just to take this a little bit
further, because this is huge-- it might be like that can be seen
through, and there are no separate material objects anywhere out
there, that there's no separate world out there anywhere. It's just a
mental state like a dream, but sometimes what we'll continue to
assume is that, okay, that apple is there, let's say the body is in the
kitchen dealing with this apple, puts the apple down on the
counter, then the body goes into, appears to go into the bedroom,
and it will be assumed that there's an apple still there, in fact
there's a kitchen there, as a material thing that was experienced
previously and that it's still there, and that it has its independent
status separate from thought. And that's the thing, it does not
continue to exist, nor is it there before the sensations of it are
experienced! As they say in physics, what appears to be the
observing mind, the sensing mind, seems to create the world it
claims its experiencing on the instant, but it really isn't there prior
to the experiencing of it or after it. And in Consciousness Is All
there again in Chapter 13 it says, the sensing mind never leaves a
solid object in its wake, after the experiencing of sensations, nor is
there anything there prior to the experiencing of them. And I
know that that sounds so preposterous to our traditional way of
thinking, so I would urge anyone that has a problem with this,
don't take my word for it, but you've got to do a little work with
this to see through these things. But that's the Truth, that's how it
works.
And interestingly I read a book last fall by a very well established
scientist, his name's Robert Lanza, who has done a lot of work in
stem cell research, but he's taken this issue on himself, and he
wrote a book called Biocentrism. He goes at it from a physics
standpoint and basically shows, demonstrates the same thing but
in a scientific way. Now we're doing it experientially. But apart
from the very instant that it seems the mind is experiencing some
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