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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
And I don't think anyone would say that a feeling is a solid object,
it's just a feeling, and it's a passing thing too, it's always moving,
and shifting, and changing, it never stays the same. And if I say,
this feeling of holding this apple in the hand, if I hold it for five
seconds, actually each instant that there's a noticing of that
sensation, it's really a new sensation, it's not the same one
statically being present., It's like it seems to be a time thing. So
okay, along with that there might be a sense of smell, let's say if a
bite is taken, there's also a sense of sound, like a crunching sound,
there's a pleasant scent, and then there's also a taste, like a sweet
tart taste. Okay, now that's how the apple is experienced, that's all
the evidence there is of an apple, that's it. If you just try and stop
and think, there isn’t any other way of claiming that one could be
experiencing an apple, or dealing with an apple. So then you ask,
okay, those are five sensations. Now what is the apple itself, what
is the substance of the apple itself that supposedly is giving off
those sensations? Can you come up with what the apple itself is,
apart from the five sensations?
TRIP: No.
PETER DZIUBAN: You can't. There's nothing else there. And the
bottom line is that what the human mind experiences as what it
assumes is a separate apple is not a separate object. There's no
standalone item there that is giving those sensations off to the
mind, or the body. The entire and only evidence is those
sensations, and what that's saying is like there's not the human
mind’s experiencing of an object and an object. There's only this
so-called mental experience, there's nothing in what it goes onto.
This by the way applies to any so-called object, it has no status
other than mere sensations really.
So when they say mind is matter, it's not kidding on that basis,
that's all there would be to it, there is not anything separate. And
also there in Chapter 13 it says, the mind, the so-called sensing
mind, does not know about the world, it would be the world, it is
the world. And a friend interestingly just the other day sent me a
quote that Ramana Maharshi made supposedly at one time, and
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