Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
WIZARD: We'll link it in.
PETER DZIUBAN: Okay. So it says, okay according to the human
mind, the sensing mind, and state of sensing and thinking, it
experiences what it calls an apple. Now let's look at this thing,
what is all the evidence, what is the entire basis on which the
human mind would say there is an apple there? What have you
got for evidence? Okay. You've got the visual, and that's an image,
and it’s a spherical roundish shape, and there's color there too,
and by the way it's color that even gives the appearance of its being
spherical as opposed to other things. If you look really closely it's
just color, but it's an image, it's a visual image that supposedly the
mind experiences. And science will say it's an image that comes,
hits the retina, and then it's translated by nerves, blah, blah, and
something happens in the brain, and the mind says, an apple is
there. But it's like a visual image.
WIZARD: It's a hologram.
PETER DZIUBAN: Like a hologram. Okay, so then it says what
else is there? Well, there's a sense of touch to the apple, if one
picks it up there's a certain heft in the hand, and the skin has a
certain feel to it. There might be a sense of temperature, feeling of
temperature if it just came out of the refrigerator let's say, and
other kinds of feelings. Okay, those are tactile sensations, those
are feelings. And if you, even right Now, for example, we tend to
think in terms of two separate objects, let's say an apple was being
held in what's called the hand, and we tend to think in terms of
there are two separate items there, there's a hand, and there's an
apple, but if you close the eyes and just deal in terms of this tactile
feeling, it's really not two things, there's just one thing going on
there, and that's the tactile sensation, it's like a feeling of hardness.
And right now feel the feeling; don't comment intellectually, you
can almost imagine that sense, and what the texture of the skin of
the apple is like, and a little hefty weight, and temperature. But
it's just a feeling, and that's it.
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