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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages WIZARD: I used to go into incredible states and everything, but at the end I tired of it, there's just so much yellow brick road you can take. [Laughing] TRIP: Peter, I just love, love, love, I love, love, love that. [Laughs]. Okay, here's another one. Okay, so people will get, okay, like time, the future, that doesn't exist, and okay maybe even god is trumped by consciousness, but then they'll think that consciousness is something that's inside their body, right. PETER DZIUBAN: Oh, yeah. TRIP: And here's the thing, okay, so you talk about the fact that the body is, I mean we know from physics that the space between like the so-called particles in the body, which aren't even matter, but they're actually energy, but the so-called particles in the body, the space between them is like the distance between the earth and the sun, so that the body is essentially space, it's 100% space. So go ahead and talk about that one, because that's a mind-blower too. PETER DZIUBAN: Okay. And to take that even a step further, there's a chapter in the book, and by the way for those who are listening, this is also free on the website on the Writings page, it's Chapter 13, and it's titled Check the Credentials. And as you said, Trip, we're told, we can know theoretically in a sense and even scientific experiments indicate it and so-called prove it, that the body and any so-called material item is not a solid object, it's really just as much flowing energy at one level, and space in between becoming particles and it seems to be solidity. So we can see it in that way. And in Chapter 13 it takes it a little bit further, and says, okay, this seeming world that seems to be so physical, so material, so heavy, and so solid, let's really take a good close look at it. And there's an example of an everyday item, and it's an apple. And if one doesn't want to read the whole chapter, this particular example starts on page 129 in the book; again it's also on the website. 512
Conversations with Avant-garde Sages WIZARD: We'll link it in. PETER DZIUBAN: Okay. So it says, okay according to the human mind, the sensing mind, and state of sensing and thinking, it experiences what it calls an apple. Now let's look at this thing, what is all the evidence, what is the entire basis on which the human mind would say there is an apple there? What have you got for evidence? Okay. You've got the visual, and that's an image, and it’s a spherical roundish shape, and there's color there too, and by the way it's color that even gives the appearance of its being spherical as opposed to other things. If you look really closely it's just color, but it's an image, it's a visual image that supposedly the mind experiences. And science will say it's an image that comes, hits the retina, and then it's translated by nerves, blah, blah, and something happens in the brain, and the mind says, an apple is there. But it's like a visual image. WIZARD: It's a hologram. PETER DZIUBAN: Like a hologram. Okay, so then it says what else is there? Well, there's a sense of touch to the apple, if one picks it up there's a certain heft in the hand, and the skin has a certain feel to it. There might be a sense of temperature, feeling of temperature if it just came out of the refrigerator let's say, and other kinds of feelings. Okay, those are tactile sensations, those are feelings. And if you, even right Now, for example, we tend to think in terms of two separate objects, let's say an apple was being held in what's called the hand, and we tend to think in terms of there are two separate items there, there's a hand, and there's an apple, but if you close the eyes and just deal in terms of this tactile feeling, it's really not two things, there's just one thing going on there, and that's the tactile sensation, it's like a feeling of hardness. And right now feel the feeling; don't comment intellectually, you can almost imagine that sense, and what the texture of the skin of the apple is like, and a little hefty weight, and temperature. But it's just a feeling, and that's it. 513
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WIZARD: Be still. Conversations wit
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TRIP: Thank you. Conversations with
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WIZARD: Amen. Conversations with Av
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