Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
PETER DZIUBAN: Okay. Well it's that the word god
unfortunately has so much baggage, and that's not god's fault,
that's the fault of human ignorance, and speculation, and
conceptualizing. And, it just shows how much the notion of god is
subject to, or is just made out of concepts, because one religion's
god is different from another's, from another's, from another's,
from another's, it would seem that way. But the point is that, as it
says in the book, if one were to supposedly somehow come face-toface
with what is called god, what has been called, the emphasis on
the what has been called, or assumed to be god, this is to bust
really a lot of those concepts, mistaken concepts, and assumptions
that are held. If that were to happen, how only would one know it?
If you finally made it to heaven, or whatever you want to call it,
and as some distant state, how only would that be known or
experienced? To say you finally made it, there would have to be
consciousness, there would have has to be awareness, and then, oh
my gosh, well that state, and what is called this god would depend
on consciousness being conscious of what this thing is called
“god”. Because if consciousness were not, if there were no life, no
being, that god wouldn't be and you wouldn't be there to witness
this so-called god as whatever. So the point of course is, that socalled
god depends entirely on awareness or presence or
Beingness for its seeming status. And then what that shows is that
the real presence or power lies with or as consciousness or
awareness of Beingness itself, life itself, which is this present one
right here. And also one can notice instantly any attempt to say,
no, that's not good enough, there's another state far off
somewhere, what only is that? That's just a thought, more
speculative imaging.
WIZARD: Imagination, yes.
PETER DZIUBAN: Exactly.
TRIP: Okay. Here's another one, man, that you do that sounds
good.
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