Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
PETER DZIUBAN: I'm not sure I'm completely clear as to how
you mean it, Trip. In other words you're saying that we appear to,
say, read books, and at one time it was a matter of seeking, and
studying, and having to get there. And then it's as if all of a
sudden it's turned around, and it's clear that, well this is no longer
necessary. In fact, all of what it seems or appears as if I did, the
One who's conscious here never really did it. Do you mean it in
that sense, almost like a too good to be true thing?
TRIP: Yes.
PETER DZIUBAN: Yes. One thing is that it would seem that the
point, the "goal" of any spiritual practice, or study, is that it makes
itself obsolete, and if it doesn't you've got to ask, well, what good is
it? Because why be bound to a spiritual practice? It's one thing to
engage in, if you want to say, in meditation, or pondering, just be
with one's Self with a capital S, so to speak. It's one thing to do
that coming from a place of… assuming one is separate and there's
this little me that needs to get there, and instead turning it around
and saying, look, the only Life is that alive here is already at itself,
it can't make further contact with itself, and it's so effortless, it's so
unstoppable, you can't alter it or make it go away, or be otherwise,
no matter what you try to think, this is the deal, so to speak. So
what is it to enjoy this? Right Now, for example, just feel into, or
taste, whatever term you want to use, how effortlessly and
unstoppably awareness is being aware, if we're going to use the
term awareness. This Life is alive with zero help from Peter, or
Trip, or Wiz. And... What is this to itself?
WIZARD: To me that's really true practice when we are actually
practicing that, not doing something to find the Truth, but
practicing being the Truth.
PETER DZIUBAN: For the joy of it.
WIZARD: Yes.
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