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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages WIZARD: Boy, do you ever need a book. That little letter you wrote to Trip last night was bingo. I put it on the conversations group page; I thought so much of it. You have a real gift of sharing that can affirm folks who have had just a glimpse of the silence, and need the affirmation to become established. You've got a tremendous gift there to share. NORIO KUSHI: Well thank you. Well, as you know, it has nothing to do with me. [Laughs] TRIP: I think there are some other things that are very uplifting and instructive about you and your life. One is that you chose to drive a big rig, because it brings you joy, and you had the courage to do that when you could have pursued what other people would have looked upon as a more sort of big deal career, and say in business or something like that. And the other thing, here you are, you’re a truck driver, and look at how articulate and amazing a man you are, how established you are. So my point being that none of this came through book learning, or through even association with a guru, or anything, you just had an ah-ha moment and then you went and looked at that and said, well what about that? The insights just came. WIZARD: Clean as a whistle. NORIO KUSHI: Yes. Introduced during the concept of time. I make it sound like it just happened, at the same time there are insights along the road, and events that caused me to start inquiring into all of this. But it was not from a religious or spiritual perspective whatsoever. I didn't consider it spirituality. Nor did I even associate stopping thinking and any of this to the term enlightenment, it was nine months later when I was doing a talk over in Europe that after I began sharing this experience that someone asked me, you mean, you're enlightened? WIZARD: Where is Steve Earl in all this? He was my first host to Japan. He's a wonderful man but I had no idea that he was… 500
Conversations with Avant-garde Sages NORIO KUSHI: Okay. Steve Earl is in Richmond, Virginia. I met him when I was 18 in Japan in 1974, and although he said we actually met before that. And we've remained friends, and he and I have both been along similar inquiries throughout most of our life. And he's someone who can really articulate the power of language, and what language really does, and that's why I sent you an email suggesting he be one of your guests. Because currently language is, we're born into a way of language, this human tapestry already created. Once we recognize the power of language, we can recreate this human tapestry into a completely different thing, virtually overnight. TRIP: I have a question for you about that, quickly, because it's just something I've always wanted to know what you think about this. Is there any usefulness in trying to change the way you speak, because for example the Wizard's mentor, Jamesy, he wouldn't say the word you, he would just say I and I, he didn't want to go there with that word. I mean, would there be some utility in… I mean I could think of ways to stop speaking dualistically to a degree, but is there any value in trying to do that or not? NORIO KUSHI: Well the duality, the issue of duality is only in the thinking, and which is also language, and the language in our thoughts. I think that the pronouns do serve a useful distinction, as long as we know that that's what they are. I don't think there's any problem with that. Once we recognize this language, we'll evolve to a way of speaking where we may no longer use that. The language doesn't happen singularly, it happens within society with each other. It's not me personally, doing anything. The language is the capacity, the reality the human tapestry has created in conjunction with other people. WIZARD: Thank you, Norio. NORIO KUSHI: Thank you so much too. 501
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