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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

WIZARD: Boy, do you ever need a book. That little letter you<br />

wrote to Trip last night was bingo. I put it on the conversations<br />

group page; I thought so much of it. You have a real gift of sharing<br />

that can affirm folks who have had just a glimpse of the silence,<br />

and need the affirmation to become established. You've got a<br />

tremendous gift there to share.<br />

NORIO KUSHI: Well thank you. Well, as you know, it has<br />

nothing to do <strong>with</strong> me. [Laughs]<br />

TRIP: I think there are some other things that are very uplifting<br />

and instructive about you and your life. One is that you chose to<br />

drive a big rig, because it brings you joy, and you had the courage<br />

to do that when you could have pursued what other people would<br />

have looked upon as a more sort of big deal career, and say in<br />

business or something like that. And the other thing, here you are,<br />

you’re a truck driver, and look at how articulate and amazing a<br />

man you are, how established you are. So my point being that<br />

none of this came through book learning, or through even<br />

association <strong>with</strong> a guru, or anything, you just had an ah-ha<br />

moment and then you went and looked at that and said, well what<br />

about that? <strong>The</strong> insights just came.<br />

WIZARD: Clean as a whistle.<br />

NORIO KUSHI: Yes. Introduced during the concept of time. I<br />

make it sound like it just happened, at the same time there are<br />

insights along the road, and events that caused me to start<br />

inquiring into all of this. But it was not from a religious or<br />

spiritual perspective whatsoever. I didn't consider it spirituality.<br />

Nor did I even associate stopping thinking and any of this to the<br />

term enlightenment, it was nine months later when I was doing a<br />

talk over in Europe that after I began sharing this experience that<br />

someone asked me, you mean, you're enlightened?<br />

WIZARD: Where is Steve Earl in all this? He was my first host to<br />

Japan. He's a wonderful man but I had no idea that he was…<br />

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