Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
TRIP: I have to give my ego some credit; I think I finally realized
that. And so right now for the first time in my life I'm not out
there trying to create the personal intimate partnership, and what
a relief it is, I've got to tell you.
NORIO KUSHI: [Laughs] I used to believe there were soul mates,
etc. I don't want to knock anyone's ideas of what's so or not. It's
wonderful to entertain that idea, and there's nothing wrong with
that. When the phantom selfing stops, then number one, one
stops seeking and there's an automatic relationship, there's never
a beginning and end to a relationship. In the physical manifest
world there's a beginning and an end to everything, everything is
changing. Relationship does not exist in that realm. So it exists in
a place of being and is timeless. So once one sees the phantom self
as an illusion, and the phantom selfing stops, then relationship is
just a space that one is always in. One is always in relationship
with everyone, and everything. There's a tree out there, there's a
relationship that's constantly occurring.
WIZARD: You're in love.
NORIO KUSHI: Yes. And it turns out that all the things that the
phantom selfing is seeking place of being, a space of being; peace,
love, unconditional love, commitments, being whole and
complete. So these are all places of being, and it's timeless, there's
no beginning and end to this, any of this.
For the first time when the phantom selfing stops, when you meet
someone, you actually meet them and the relating is happening,
you can see people for who they really are, what they really are.
Prior to this there was always an agenda, is this person going to
help me get to where I want to go, is this person not going to help
me? And the whole dating scene, there's this whole agenda there,
and so the phantom selfing is operating through ideas and images
of itself and of others. And so neither party are really seeing each
other for who they are, and therefore and there's this feeling that
there's no connection which in fact is correct, there is no
connection between phantom selves. And so the phantom self
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