Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
NORIO KUSHI: Because it labels itself, it separated itself…
WIZARD: This is a palm tree, a walnut tree, or a Cyprus tree.
TRIP: But, Norio, a person will say, but my wife means a
tremendous amount to me, or my kids mean so much to me, what
do they mean by that, what are they really saying when they say
that?
NORIO KUSHI: Well [Laughs], they're expressing, it's
multifaceted what they're expressing. Number one, they're
expressing their natural affection and connection that they have,
which is perfectly human and healthy. As a matter of fact we
actually have that for everyone and everything if our mind is quiet.
So that's one of the things that they're expressing. Now they may
be expressing that they're attached to them when they refer to that
meaning. So it would depend on the individual, how they're using
that term. But generally when used in that way, it's really a very
healthy feeling that they're expressing.
TRIP: So I had an AT&T repairman came over yesterday and he
was a part time pastor, and we got into this stuff for an hour and a
half, you know, I was saying things like there is no meaning to
anything. And then he said, "Well what about that", and he
pointed out things that I do care about, and it's like you want it
both ways. It's like on the one hand there's all this meaning, you
say what a glorious day, and how wonderful I am to be alive, how
wonderful, beautiful life is, and then you're saying there's no
meaning, you're trying to have it both ways, dude. [Laughs] I was
dumbfounded by the way, I didn't know what to say, and I felt like
an idiot.
NORIO KUSHI: No, that's beautiful, what he's pointing to is the
beauty of being alive. But that it views something in the realm of
the phantom selfing. It's like, if then the phantom selfing is
occurring in the thinking and says, oh, I am special, I made it, and
I’m such a wonderful person, something. That's where the
meaning is made up. And also the fact that we can verbalize, that
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