Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
separate ourselves, because we're seeking, so we want to get rid of
the things in our way, and then hold onto the things which are
going to help us get what we want. So we automatically… so I
want to make it clear that there's nothing whatsoever wrong with
any of this that we're doing.
And the other point I want to point out is that none of us have any
choice in this [Laughs]. So we can't help but do this. And there's
nothing wrong with you, or anyone else. In the same way as I was
born in the United States, I speak English, the way that people
think and speak to each other is inherently dualistic, and so as a
child we can only learn to speak in this same way. So we have no
choice but to adopt this identity. Do you understand what I'm
saying?
WIZARD: Yes.
TRIP: Yes. So go easy on ourselves here, yes. Okay, here's
another one and at the end, okay, you say, "Looking for answers,
the phantom self exists through what it isn't, and by seeing the
world out there as a series of problems. Therefore the phantom
self is uncontrollable always looking for answers. The phantom
self is always searching for meaning in life". Now here's a really
big one, "There is no meaning to anything in the universe,
including one's self". Now that one right there, oh my God, you
talk to anybody that hasn't had a major ah-ha, and they're going to
say, what do you mean there's no meaning? Where's the proof,
where's your proof? Is there proof? Is there proof here, proof to
no meaning in the universe? What's your proof, Norio, there's no
meaning in the universe, come on?
NORIO KUSHI: Well fortunately [Laughs] I don't have any proof.
[Laughs]
TRIP: That's a big statement, dude, where's your proof?
NORIO KUSHI: And I will explain what I mean by that. [Laughs]
Everything is what it is, and nothing in nature has any inherent
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