Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
the conscious, are both in the same bag of illusion, right? They're
all part and parcel of somebody who might consider themselves as
separate phantom self.
NORIO KUSHI: What occurs is that there's a thought, and then
in the thinking, the thinking divides into the concept of a thinker
who is having the thought. And when…
WIZARD: Is fundamentally dualistic.
NORIO KUSHI: Exactly, and we don't realize that the brain is
operating in this way. And this is what I see the as the Far East
tradition of duality. The duality isn't the manifest physical world
and the separation; the duality that they're referring to is in the
way that the brain is thinking. That's the only place where we get
into trouble, and not in the physical realm, in the manifest realm.
WIZARD: That's fundamental. Someone having a thought is
fundamentally dualistic.
NORIO KUSHI: Exactly.
WIZARD: That's a great insight.
NORIO KUSHI: Yes. [Laughs] And to realize that the thinker is
just in the thought itself is a real mind blower for sure.
WIZARD: Yes.
TRIP: Yes. I know we're just kind of plowing through these
symptoms of the phantom self, but I just think it's really juicy,
really helpful. So here's another one…
NORIO KUSHI: If I may add, one thing I want to add about this is
I want to coach everyone to know that none of this that we're
doing, the phantom selfing, is bad, or wrong. One of the ways that
our parents are thinking we're born into is to try to distinguish,
okay, this is bad, and this is good, automatically. And trying to
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