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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

NORIO KUSHI: Yes, that's correct.<br />

TRIP: None of it ever appeared on or through your windshield,<br />

but then in 2005 something happened, what happened?<br />

NORIO KUSHI: Well, 2005, what stopped the thinking was<br />

actually a combination of events that occurred, and what I now see<br />

is that actually stopping thinking isn't a big deal. I mean, it's<br />

great, it's wonderful, it's blissful, there's no separation between the<br />

I and the big I, or whatever one wants to call it, and just this sense<br />

of just being so complete and whole, and just this overwhelming<br />

sense of unconditional love. So of course it's wonderful.<br />

For me, what the big thing was; I call being hit on the head <strong>with</strong><br />

the cosmic two by four. And that's realizing that there is no self,<br />

everything I thought I was, was just in thinking, and it took me<br />

three days of no thinking for that cosmic two by four to hit me. So<br />

to me that's really the big deal, because I see now that we probably<br />

all have glimpses of silence, and we may not realize it. <strong>The</strong> reason<br />

we don't realize it because, one, if it's a short amount of time our<br />

chatter begins right up again, and even if it's a longer prolonged<br />

period, maybe minutes or so, as soon as the chatter begins, the<br />

phantom self returns and takes credit for the experience. <strong>The</strong>re's<br />

the illusion of a continuity of a phantom self always having been<br />

there.<br />

TRIP: Yes, and we're going to explore that, but before you dismiss<br />

your two weeks of silence too readily, I think it's interesting to<br />

note that here you were driving a big rig, which is a pretty<br />

dangerous thing. And you obviously had to do a lot of directions<br />

and this and that, and you were able to drive the big rig <strong>with</strong>out<br />

thinking.<br />

NORIO KUSHI: Yes, absolutely. It turns out that 90% of thinking<br />

is unnecessary.<br />

WIZARD: Amen.<br />

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