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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages madly in love with an old beat up chair, with a pencil, with your toenail, with the sound of the rain on the windowpane, and even with a person that you've been married to for 35 years for whom there’s little mystery left. It's in the shining of love, and the giving of love, that we are filled with love, because the source is within us. When the source is within us, then the only way you can really get filled with love is to give it. Anytime you try to get love, it has the opposite effect of making you feel more lacking. [Laughs] WIZARD: That's a rocky road. NIRMALA: It is. TRIP: I've tried a few times. NIRMALA: Trying to fill yourself with love from the outside is like trying to fill up a very leaky bucket with a hose. You can stand there for hours, and the bucket never fills up. WIZARD: Boy, I've been there a lot, my God, you wouldn't believe. NIRMALA: It sucks trying to fill yourself up with love from the outside. It’s a fundamental structure that what we are at the core is this emptiness, and so anything you put in there is going to dissolve. It's like the leaky bucket, you put love in there, and it dissolves back into emptiness. But when something comes out of it, it moves from emptiness into form, and so when this emptiness moves as love, when you give your attention, and your acceptance, and your curiosity to something else, then this emptiness moves out of you into the form and the quality of love, including all of the joy, and pleasure, and satisfaction that brings. So it's the flow from emptiness outward that fills us. The inward flow from the outside is a movement from form back into emptiness, and so it never fills us up. You can't ever fill up something that is as profoundly empty as the emptiness inside of us. 468
Conversations with Avant-garde Sages TRIP: Well, speaking of love and also synchronicity, I don't spend a lot of time on Facebook, the Wizard spends more because he's retired and I'm still out there in the workforce. NIRMALA: Yes, that can take up a lot of your time. TRIP: [Laughs] But we both resonated with Gina's writings, her postings on the web, and also I liked her so much I asked her to friend me on Facebook. NIRMALA: Yes, this is my wife, Gina Lake, by the way. TRIP: Your wife, yes. And we're thinking about who would be a great guest next week, and the Wizard's thinking Gina, Gina Lake. And, my God, it turns out the two of you are married [Laughs]. WIZARD: I was reading her writings, and it's unusually clear and well done for what you find on Facebook. NIRMALA: She's got the insight and the wisdom, but she's also been a writer for 20 years, so she has the skills of a writer to express the wisdom, and to put it into words. TRIP: Did the two of you meet while you were still seeking, or after? NIRMALA: No, we both met pretty much after we were done seeking. But I figure I've gone from seeking to endlessly exploring. There's no seeking because I'm endlessly discovering something. It's not like the discoveries have stopped, but what has stopped is any sense that something out there is going to fill me up. The exploring and the discoveries are rich for their own sake. WIZARD: Yes, the journey's begun when it's over. NIRMALA: Yes, the opportunities to shine love, awareness and curiosity are endless. WIZARD: So where did you go in India? 469
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WIZARD: Be still. Conversations wit
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TRIP: Thank you. Conversations with
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