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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

TRIP: How true. You know the <strong>Wizard</strong> and I have spent<br />

thousands of hours in Satsang and one of the things we've talked<br />

about is this word "God", and one of the <strong>Wizard</strong>'s favorite ways of<br />

expressing God is just that word, capacity.<br />

WIZARD: Yes, the self is like the host of hosts, it is pure capacity<br />

because there's nothing in it. So acceptance leads you into that<br />

nothingness that is pure capacity that allows forms to appear and<br />

disappear <strong>with</strong>out leaving a mark on that capacity, or diminishing<br />

its capacity.<br />

NIRMALA: And we're all equally endowed <strong>with</strong> the capacity to<br />

know how true things are, how real things are, and it's just a<br />

question of whether we recognize that capacity, whether we notice<br />

it as it operates. <strong>The</strong> way our being distinguishes or discriminates<br />

how true something is, is by the expansion or the contraction that<br />

we feel in our sense of being.<br />

I often say the Truth is whatever opens your heart, whatever gives<br />

you an expanded, softer, fuller sense of your own Self. Everyone<br />

has always had this capacity, it's always been functional in<br />

everybody, because when our sense of Self contracts, when it feels<br />

small, or inadequate, or unworthy, or incomplete, it's also working<br />

perfectly in those contractions to show us that whatever we're<br />

thinking, or feeling, or desiring in that moment is actually not very<br />

true, not very important, not very real.<br />

WIZARD: One of my favorite quotes of Ramana Maharshi was<br />

enlightenment is giving up, relinquishing the idea that you're not<br />

enlightened. [Laughs]<br />

NIRMALA: If you have this idea that you're not, that will of course<br />

limit your experience, it will give you a narrower experience, a<br />

narrower channel for your awareness to flow in, so you will feel<br />

constricted, you'll feel limited. And that's the right way to feel<br />

when you have that not very true thought.<br />

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