Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
WIZARD: Yes, it's a Mystery. [Laughs]
NIRMALA: To hold either the black or the white position is
leaving out this incredible variety, leaving out this incredible
variation within our experience of how expanded or contracted our
awareness becomes depending on the specifics of our experience,
how much it triggers our conditioning, our fears, our hopes, our
wishes, that kind of thing, or how much it is a movement beyond
these limitations.
TRIP: I haven't been to a lot of spiritual gatherings, but I've
noticed on some of the dialogues online, that there's a little bit of a
game that gets played out in the spiritual community where people
are sometimes prone to let you know that obviously by the way
you're talking you're really not as enlightened as you might think
you are. But I have to say that I feel that anyone that's been
blessed with a profound realization of their own non-physical
reality, and for whom that realization sticks, and provides them
relief from the things that formerly bothered them in life, and
results in spontaneous joy, I think of that person as an enlightened
human being, and I feel that about myself. And I don't run into
that many people that actually feel that each and every day. I have
a lot of questions for you, but I just want to share with you, isn't it
fantastic that feeling? Isn't it amazing?
NIRMALA: It is, especially in contrast to the opposite experience.
And yet again, my focus is on pointing to the enlightenment or
maybe even a better word is the wisdom that is already present in
everybody, and that has always been present. I sometimes refer to
my experience of awakening as my non-awakening, because what
was actually realized or recognized was that this discriminating
wise awareness has always been here. How can something that is
already awake wake up? Wisdom isn't the accumulation of
knowledge, facts and figures. Wisdom is the capacity to really
distinguish how important, how true, and ultimately how real
those facts or experiences are. It does lead to discriminating
what's true, what's real about you, about your own reality, your
own existence, your own awakeness.
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