Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
TRIP: Yes, I was thinking, maybe you could confirm my
suspicions about the way things really do go down because we're
interviewed a lot of folks on this program, and almost all of them
like you, like the Wizard, and like myself, came into their initial
taste of this beautiful reality that's actually unnoticed without any
anticipation, it just kind of happened, or it was kind like a two by
four across the head.
MUZ MURRAY: Completely out of the blue.
WIZARD: Out of the blue; absolutely.
TRIP: It was completely out of the blue. And so you are in the
stateless state that Ramana Maharshi was in, there's no difference,
but then usually decades will pass before you become established
in that. And you say that, “at long last in 1980 through constant
meditative practices I finally entered in the state of samadhi, the
God conscious condition, which I had been striving to reach again
since my 20s”. And so it seems to me that the true utility of
teaching and the meditative practices is after the two by four has
hit you across the head you become established. But it seems to
me so many people engage in those practices and in the teaching
in order to get the initial experience. That isn't going to happen,
right?
WIZARD: It doesn't work that way.
MUZ MURRAY: No, no, because the practices don't get you where
you already are [Laughter].
TRIP: Do you ever have the temptation to ask somebody that
comes to you if they have already had a taste of who they are or
not? It seems to me kind of a critical question. If they haven't had
a taste are you going to be able to help them along with that?
MUZ MURRAY: Yes. I try to guide them through, first through
Mantra to have a taste of the mindless condition, and then
encourage them to expand on that space in between two thoughts,
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