Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
TRIP: That's a heck of a good job of explaining a profound
spiritual experience I must say. It really takes you there.
WIZARD: I call it turning inside out.
MUZ MURRAY: Yes, yes. And I wanted to get back into that
space for about 15 years but eventually I realize you can never go
back into something that's happened before. [Laughter] And once
I stopped trying to go back then I entered into a different form of
samadhi, and that again was an experience of becoming one with
all the environment, I was like a diver walking about in an ocean of
my Self.
WIZARD: Yes.
MUZ MURRAY: That was through the practice of what I call
whipping out the carpet from underneath every thought, every
thought that came up I pulled out the carpet from under it saying
that's not my business, keep quiet, shut up, stop rabbiting away in
my head. And after three months I woke up with no movement of
mind at all.
WIZARD: Yes, I was a recovering seeker after my initial
awakening, and losing it, trying to get back to it. And it was a
couple of decades trying to get that experience back not realizing
that the experience was just the phenomena around the
awakening, and missing what is always already here Now.
MUZ MURRAY: Yes, we don't realize that we are already back,
we've never left it.
WIZARD: We never left it.
MUZ MURRAY: It's just covered up with all kinds of other crap.
WIZARD: It took a long time for the clouds to clear.
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