Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
MORGAN CARAWAY: It takes care of all other problems.
WIZARD: The duality. And it's contagious, that paradigm shift is
contagious, just by being in company with one another. And that's
in our circle of influence, and not in a circle of concern we can't do
anything about.
MORGAN CARAWAY: To me that's what John Wheeler, that's
what his pointers helped show was that there can be a billion
concepts about all of that. There can be endless ideas, endless
discussions about whatever we think we're discussing. But the
important part of nonduality and Advaita is how it relates to one's
own self-identity. How it relates to one's experience. Until it's tied
into that, it's just a spinning conceptual framework.
TRIP: Exactly. So I have question for you guys. Is there anybody
that falls outside of one of the following two categories, either you
got struck by the cosmic two by four, and you don't want to talk
about your "got it" experience, but you had one, the Wizard had
one, I had one, everybody we've interviewed on this program has
had one. Where they had a waking state, or a lucid dreaming or
whatever, experience where they got the fact this idea of separate
personhood as an illusion.
WIZARD: We became disillusioned.
TRIP: And then everything that goes down between those folks
who've had that experience is the choir talking to the choir, it's like
this radio program, and we're the choir and we're talking to the
choir. Or you're in another category, you haven't been struck by
the cosmic two by four, you want to be, or you think that the
person that has... has something that you can get from them, and
you're called the seeker.
Is there anyone outside of that category, is there anyone who is not
a seeker, who has not been struck by a cosmic two by four, who
gets it to the degree that they have the confidence and the faith to
live their Truth that they are not a separate person, to actually not
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