Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
because the one that would get it doesn't actually exist. But if
we're going to talk about in the relative realm, the folks motivated
by greed are like the people who actually believe they're the
characters in a play, and the ones that understand that they're just
acting are in the in-club, and the ones who think that the play is
real, are in the out-club. So I think there is an in-club and outclub,
and it's basically about what you identify with, if you identify
with yourself as a separate person, then you could be said to not be
in the in-club, or am I dreaming here? I don't know.
WIZARD: I mean, let's say there's an in-club of the greedy people,
how would you define that person?
MORGAN CARAWAY: Well, to me all of it is God playing a game,
the Hindus call it Lila, the dance of God, I'm sure you guys are way
familiar with those ideas. So it's all the dance of God and the thing
is God plays its role so well that it becomes totally identified in the
role, while at the same time the awareness is always here, the
consciousness is always here. It's the root of all of it. But there
can be this very strong identification with a particular role, but it's
still God or Brahma, or the Tao or whatever you want to call it,
that is playing those roles. So to say there is an in-club and an outclub
is to buy into the roles that are played. And I just think it is
all God.
WIZARD: So for one idea, a group idea, to oppose another group
idea, is futile.
MORGAN CARAWAY: Yes, it just goes on forever. And generally
to oppose something is to make it stronger.
WIZARD: Yes.
MORGAN CARAWAY: I know in my past spiritual search, and
quest, and struggles, there was this idea that I should fight with
thoughts that don't fit with my self-image, or the way things
should be. And it is like putting gasoline on a fire when you do
that. It just makes it worse.
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