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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

So that means there is no degree of separation between us and<br />

anything in the universe, and that all living beings at heart are<br />

only that awareness, that pure awareness that gives rise to<br />

everything.<br />

WIZARD: So the root cause of greed is the “I am the body” notion.<br />

MORGAN CARAWAY: Right, the ego idea, the idea of being<br />

separate and apart, and identification <strong>with</strong> the mind/body<br />

appearance.<br />

WIZARD: To cut the limbs off the trees doesn't kill the tree.<br />

MORGAN CARAWAY: Right, it's like cutting the heads of the<br />

hydra, you cut a head off, and two more grow back. You're there<br />

forever, and there's more and more heads. It won't solve it.<br />

WIZARD: You've got to go to the root.<br />

MORGAN CARAWAY: To the heart of it, yes.<br />

WIZARD: Which is this sense of separation.<br />

MORGAN CARAWAY: Right. Which our culture fully embraces<br />

and believes in, and most cultures or many of them have embraced<br />

that. Some of the native American cultures, you guys have<br />

probably some read about them, like the Black Elk Speaks, but<br />

they couldn't relate to the idea of the one person having more<br />

riches than they will ever need in life, and someone else being<br />

homeless on the street. That just did not make any sense to them.<br />

That wasn't the way their society was.<br />

TRIP: Well this conversation we're having about folks who are<br />

motivated by greed brings me another question for you. You<br />

write, "<strong>The</strong>re isn't a spiritual in-club, those who have gotten it and<br />

those who haven't". I want to challenge you on that one, and again<br />

it's this thing between the relative and the absolute. But obviously<br />

on the absolute level everyone already is it, so they can't get it<br />

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