Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
I had that experience, and that experience gave me the impetus,
the desire, the yearning, to then get the affirmation that I wasn't
crazy from my friend the Wizard here, and it was a definite
defining point in my life, okay. Now you say there's no such thing
as awakening, so that defining point for me was an awakening, and
I talk to people, and I say, I woke up. Now you're telling me
there's no such thing as that, so I'm confused.
MORGAN CARAWAY: Well, for me it's that what ended for you
was the illusion of being a separate person. It was not that there
ever was a separate person; it's not that there ever was isolation,
but that idea fell away. And it seems that that idea falls away for
many "people", in different ways. For some of them there may be
a set experience, I remember John's experience while he was
reading Be Here Now, and some of the others he was talking
about. And then for other people it just sort of… so sometimes you
hear it happens for no reason, or happens for no understandable
reason from any individual. Then on the other side there's people
who seek for it for their entire life and never find what they're
looking for. But the thing I'm pointing out is when the ego
disappears nothing really died, nothing real has gone, it’s just
ideas dropped away.
So what it means is that there is no one to awaken. There is no
individual person who can awaken.
WIZARD: The Now is always.
MORGAN CARAWAY: The Now is always. Yes.
TRIP: It's true, but I guess there's a limitation to writing books
and sharing with people, because you go back and forth between
referring to the absolute, which there is no awakening, and then to
the relative where you're giving people advice on a relative realm.
And so, you have to run with the author's intent on all of these
things.
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