Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
WIZARD: It's the antithesis of experience.
MORGAN CARAWAY: Right. It's the thing that makes experience
possible.
WIZARD: Yes.
TRIP: So that's why you feel it's not useful to tell the story how
you "got it"?
MORGAN CARAWAY: True. That is right. And for me it wasn't a
Eureka explosion, and I'm not saying I am awakened, or unawakened,
or anything. But that experience never happened to
me, a specific thing. But it seemed, like I said talking with John,
that clarity was there after talking to him, and it didn't really take a
particular experience to get to that point.
TRIP: All right, well here comes my first challenging question for
you, and of course I'll be sticking my foot in my mouth, and you'll
be making me look like the fool that I am.
MORGAN CARAWAY: Please, all questions are welcome.
TRIP: All right. Now you say there is no such thing as awakening,
okay. You write that in your book, there is no such thing as
awakening. Now this is what I want to respond to that, and you
tell me what's wrong with what I'm saying here. Now, myself and
many other people that I've interviewed on this program, I woke
up from a dream of separate personhood, okay. I was walking
along thinking myself to be a guy named Trip in a separate body,
with a birth, life, death, and the whole thing. And all of a sudden I
had the waking state experience without acid or mushrooms,
which was that in fact this was not true, and a sense of me as a
separate person for a period of time dissolved. And I could sense
that I was simply presence itself in a timeless spacious presence.
Okay.
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