Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
relationship with him. What were some of the highlights of the
things that he helped you to wrap your head around, or let go of?
MORGAN CARAWAY: Reading his books for me was great,
because John is always pointing to what's already here. So reading
his books was great, but there were still questions arising, still
quite a few assumptions. So I called him and talked to him, and as
we were talking these ideas I had about the nature of reality would
come up, and then John would, in his gentle way, he would say,
well that's an idea, that's not necessarily reality. So eventually by
the time we were done talking it was like all these little concepts
had been put aside and what was always present behind the
concepts shines through. So that was magical the first time I
talked to John on the phone.
I called him later, and it's a funny little story I like to tell people
because he was going to be speaking in Washington DC, which
isn't too far from us. So I was talking to him the second time we
spoke on the phone. He lives in Santa Cruz, California. But the
second time I spoke to him on the phone I was saying, "I see you're
going to be speaking in DC, John, I'm thinking about coming to
see you". And he said, "What for?” [Laughs] He was like, "Why?”
And I mean, how many spiritual teachers… he would never claim
to be a spiritual teacher, so I don't even mean to say that, but how
many people who speak about these things would say that?
What's the point? What is... is already there where you are.
TRIP: I have to congratulate you…
MORGAN CARAWAY: It's not going to be any more so by coming
and being in someone else's presence.
TRIP: You more methodically and adroitly rattled through all of
the pitfalls, if you will, or the incorrect assumptions that people
have in the spiritual community, and you go through them. And,
boy, [Laughs] you don't go with a light hand there.
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