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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

there's a thought arising to describe the object you're viewing,<br />

even that is just something being seen by that seeing that only<br />

sees.<br />

WIZARD: <strong>The</strong> seer.<br />

MATT KAHN: Yes, in fact one of the easiest ways to get into that<br />

realization is to ask yourself a very simple question, can the seeing<br />

be stopped, or is anything that attempts to stop the seeing just<br />

something else to be seen? Even if someone would close their eyes<br />

and go, I don't see the world, but now you're only aware that there<br />

is no world, because you're still there to see it. <strong>The</strong> seeing is still<br />

there. Or even if you were to say, I successfully stopped seeing, the<br />

only way for you to know that is to still be there to see that.<br />

So when we start to see that the seeing can't be stopped, we<br />

immediately start to connect <strong>with</strong> that which always is the same,<br />

which becomes for a lot of people their first experience of that<br />

which is eternal <strong>with</strong>in the appearance of time and change, or<br />

what people call duality.<br />

So once we see the seeing is always the same, now we have to<br />

explore the seeing to only base our reality on only what seeing<br />

sees. if we look at an object in front of us, we notice there is the<br />

seeing of a form, that the seeing itself doesn't call the form a form,<br />

it doesn't call the form an illusion, it doesn't say that's irrelevant<br />

and not a part of the absolute reality. It says nothing, it just sees.<br />

And yet if any thought would arise about the form that would just<br />

be something else to be seen in that absolute experience. And<br />

what we do is we just spend time, and by the way in this<br />

experience of seeing, ironically or perfectly, the act of just seeing<br />

<strong>with</strong>out the need to project onto what you see what it doesn't say<br />

about itself, is always another way of unraveling the nervous<br />

system.<br />

WIZARD: That's the most beautiful definition I've ever heard of a<br />

seer. And I think there's a term that this edification is most<br />

appropriate for at this particular juncture, and the unfolding of it<br />

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