Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
WIZARD: Right on; the train you heard [Laughs], it was the peace
train.
MATT KAHN: I love it.
TRIP: Getting into the nuts and bolts, I love something you said,
you said, "Why should I call a tree what it doesn't call itself"
[Laughs]. That cracks me up because; I mean I go around all day
long calling things what they never claim to call themselves.
WIZARD: Love makes no claim of its own.
TRIP: And you say, "So what happens when I just look?" And
you’re good at just looking; can you take someone down the royal
road of not labeling, but just looking?
MATT KAHN: Sure. What we always want to do is we want to use
our present moment reality as where we gather evidence, because
what's true in this present moment is true in all moments.
Because of course the Truth, the Truth is a word that means
always. we want to kind of see what always is the case, what we
start to see, the first step I would say is what always is the case is
that we first notice that there are things changing. And we're not
going to ostracize and push away what's changing, we're just going
to say, what changes is a momentary appearance or declaration of
the Truth, but the Truth itself is just that which is always the same
and never changing. We start to see the body's always changing,
the thoughts are always changing, the feelings are always
changing, and time is always changing.
And we start to say, okay, now what isn't changing at all? And
what we start to see is that the things we are seeing are always in a
state of change, even a cup that I would look at in front of me right
now was created in time, and it will be destroyed in time. And yet
what we start to see if we just stare at an object, if we look at
different objects, what we're looking at is an object appears to
change, the decoration changes, but perhaps we see the seeing,
what actually views the objects, doesn't change at all. Even when
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