Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
MATT KAHN: Absolutely, and I feel like on this journey where
I'm just going with the flow, at the same time at the end of this
lifetime I'm going to look back and say, I was given a heart, I
followed it, and every decision, even when sometimes in some
circles it may not be popular, and for other people it brought great
relief, which happens a lot more times than not, which I'm
thankful for.
There is a school of thought that says there's emptiness, there's
only emptiness, and we harp on that much that it causes us to
almost have this disdainful relationship with form, which creates a
very difficult spiritual identity to really be able to see through. It
takes a lot of sincerity to be able to overcome that level. Whereas
really once we find ourselves rooted in experiencing that
emptiness, the intention or the pull is to come off the mount and
return into the appearance of form. It's almost as if now that you
know what you are, face what you're not… as you are.
WIZARD: Then that's the restoration of love in all form.
MATT KAHN: In these experiences, and I appreciate what you're
saying, it’s beautiful, and I feel deeply your transmission of
understanding what is being conveyed simply through the words
that they're being spoken. In that supreme emptiness, I didn't find
the kind of nothingness that would need to go around and correct
people who are enjoying somethingness. The nothingness that I
discovered was nothing but love, and it wasn't the kind of love that
you feel when you get your needs met, it wasn't the kind of love
you want when life goes your way. It was a kind of love that
includes and embraces everything with equality, with absolutely
no personal will to be in charge of doing that. And it's just when
life takes over from that point forward, one of the ironic things
that I've seen is that when someone really is truly expressing, and
I'll use your words, expressing the living reality of that marriage,
then often times they are being brought to almost exist as a living
contradiction of what previous ideas have defined as what this is
all really about. Because that emptiness that explores itself in
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