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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

embraced, and adored, and acknowledged, and loved, by that<br />

nothingness which is only feeling itself in these erroneous<br />

projections of infinite possibility.<br />

So when I hear a lot of people talking about the nothingness, I<br />

almost hear this imaginary need to conclude if the nothingness is<br />

independent from all these things, which we get <strong>with</strong> the netti,<br />

netti, and the negations, and all that stuff, then I have to live in a<br />

way where I am almost in a standoff relationship <strong>with</strong> form. And<br />

what I have found is that what kind of closes the gap on this<br />

journey beyond realization is the complete and supreme and<br />

absolute willingness to fully and completely be the person you're<br />

not, and to embrace all forms if you're clear enough to see that all<br />

the things in the world that appear are just reflections and<br />

appearances appearing <strong>with</strong>in your true Self.<br />

WIZARD: being the host or the screen of the movie, and accepting<br />

that is a marriage of heaven and earth. <strong>The</strong>re's a sacredness in<br />

that marriage, because the movie and the screen aren't separate,<br />

even though the screen may be, may exist <strong>with</strong> or <strong>with</strong>out the<br />

movie, when the movie is playing it's at one <strong>with</strong> the screen.<br />

MATT KAHN: Absolutely. I can tell you from my own experience,<br />

and bottoming out to emptiness, and now living as that emptiness,<br />

that the form, the movie, is the will of the screen. That the form is<br />

the will of the emptiness to experience itself that way, and that in<br />

that emptiness, in the emptiness where words arise but no<br />

concepts exist, that emptiness is always supremely willing to<br />

embrace all forms and to treat it exactly as it appears while seeing<br />

that it doesn't appear outside of appearances. That to me was one<br />

of the most supreme teachings of grace and humility that didn't<br />

come about <strong>with</strong> words, it was just a spontaneous, oh my God, and<br />

how much love is that?<br />

WIZARD: <strong>The</strong> marriage of heaven and earth, Shiva and Shakti,<br />

Sita and Ram, that holy scared marriage that brings love to<br />

everything.<br />

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