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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

one ultimately ends up as that. <strong>The</strong>re's a typical way that goes<br />

down, right?<br />

ALBERT NAHMANI: Well, I really have no recall of that<br />

conversation, but if someone asks how I abide in that, I'm going to<br />

make the assumption that that person has been awakened prior to<br />

the I-thought, because then they would know what that means.<br />

And then I take it from that, working from that assumption.<br />

TRIP: Well, I'll get you going here…<br />

ALBERT NAHMANI: And therefore, one who is truly awakened in<br />

that almost knows that that question begs the question of what it<br />

is that I'm awakened. In other words, the abiding happens on its<br />

own, there is no I that is trying to understand how to abide. And<br />

that's what John calls going from <strong>with</strong>in to <strong>with</strong>out, once we<br />

realize that now we're slowing and gradually, after awakening, we<br />

are viewing this world not as <strong>with</strong>in only, but that this is also<br />

<strong>with</strong>out, outside; Seamless. That <strong>with</strong>in and <strong>with</strong>out is one, and<br />

there is no separation there, when that separation seemingly is in<br />

relation to us. It does so on its own, there is no doer there, and it<br />

sneaks in on you slowly and gradually through the years that<br />

affirmation, after awakening.<br />

And what you're left <strong>with</strong> is awe of how this process is taking care<br />

of itself so gradually, so gently, so slowly, and so unbeknown to<br />

you in many ways. And one realizes that mostly when you're<br />

looking back and see you're not the same Albert you used to be in<br />

that way, if there is such a thing as Albert.<br />

TRIP: Right. It can only be recognized in retrospect. Well you<br />

talked about how…<br />

WIZARD: How can you remember the Now outside the Now? I<br />

mean you remember the effects, the imagery, but how could you<br />

imagine Now outside of Now when Now is the antithesis of<br />

imagination?<br />

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