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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

And in most stories, this isn't all of the case, but I think in most<br />

stories there's this immense well of rage, and we spend a whole<br />

lifetime to put a lid on it, and cover it up. Somebody wrote to me<br />

recently and said something along the lines of I'm scared of just<br />

doing in the moment whatever I feel like doing in case I let Jack<br />

the Ripper out. And I laughed at that but I understood what he<br />

meant, but it's not like whether a Jack the Ripper is let out or not<br />

is not down to him, like it's not down to him letting life happen, or<br />

him letting Jack the Ripper out, it's just something that might<br />

come out in the process of awakening. But I do think that the ego<br />

contains so much anger, so much anger, because it's seeing itself<br />

as a victim, and the victim is the murderer, the victim is the<br />

pedophile. Only when the victim sees itself being hurt, and sees<br />

itself as the body and being hurt by life, can the story develop as<br />

the killer and the pedophile.<br />

WIZARD: So <strong>with</strong> the insight of the acceptance of choicelessness,<br />

then every action being perfect and you see that in others in that<br />

total acceptance, releases you from the I am the body notion and<br />

helps establish one in their freefalling.<br />

LISA CAIRNS: Yes. And here what seemed to happen in this story<br />

was I couldn't accept my rage because I was so caught up in being<br />

a good person, and doing the good thing, and saving animals in<br />

this story. It was like I had to let Roger, who was my teacher see<br />

the rage, and for him to accept it, and then seeing that, that was a<br />

beautiful thing. Seeing him accept it, anything that came up<br />

begun to be accepted here, because he never once judged any of<br />

that rage that came up here, and it was extreme. Once I smashed<br />

all the plates in the house [Laughter], I picked them up and I was<br />

like, right, I think it was, if this is all predestined, or I was reacting<br />

to some teaching I think, I just smashed all the plates, now take<br />

this God.<br />

WIZARD: And there was unconditional love there.<br />

LISA CAIRNS: Yes, and Roger just smiled and said, "Sometime<br />

you're a bit extreme, Lisa". [Laughter]<br />

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