Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
whole thought process happening, and becoming a vegetarian and
deciding that I didn't want to hurt animals, and I soon became
vegan after that when I was maybe 10. And I'm still a vegetarian, I
don't have any intellectual reason for it, I've been a vegetarian
since I was eight, and it's most probably habit, or just what you're
used to, or it's just what's written, whatever answer you want to
give depending on which level you're talking from.
But it was great cause of suffering, and great rage developed in this
story from having that perspective, that other people were hurting
animals, other people were hurting other people. And really what
was happening was suffering was growing in Lisa's story, and I
was projecting it, and it was being projected out into the world. I
was looking round at the world, and trying to stop the suffering
out in the world. And really it was this, the character, the Lisa,
was greatly suffering, an immense rage. That was another thing
about the whole murderer, was one of the things that seemed to
happen here in the waking up process was so much rage,
uncontrollable rage to the point where my teacher at points had to
pin me down because there was so much rage coming out, not just
because of hurting other people, but hurting myself. Like rage,
unbelievable rage. And when that was experienced here, that rage
coming out, it was another thing that let go of judging other
people's rage, it was like it was so extreme, that rage could have
killed, that rage was just huge. It was a murderous rage.
WIZARD: So do you think the root of this is the “I am the body
notion” itself?
LISA CAIRNS: Yes. It starts with I am the body, and then it
develops from that. And as soon as you identify as I am the body,
you've become a victim to life, and that's where most people I
believe have this rage in them. Because as soon as you become the
victim, this rage grows, and it's often covered in different ways, the
ego defends it in different ways, but this rage of life happening to
you, things happening that you don't want to happen, life not
going your way, people not doing what you want, you having to
behave in a certain way.
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